How were you called into the ministry of our Lord Jesus?
I received the calling into the Ministry a long time ago as a teenager. I gave my life to Christ quite early in life but I got born again in 1981 at the Four Square Camp Ground in Ajebo, which was the first teenager camp by Four Square. I was privileged to be there, I heard the Gospel raw, 30th July 1981. I will never forget that day.
Who preached that day?
It was a white man, I can’t remember his name. It was the Ministers of the youths that invited him. I saw the need to have Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. I had the privilege of being ministered to in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, my life never remained the same. I was in Secondary School class four then.
What school was that?
Lagos City College, Yaba, in Lagos state Nigeria. We used to have Scripture Christian Union in School, and i joined immediately i got to the school, so that facilitated my growth. Another institution that facilitated my growth was the Sunday School of the Four Square headquarters Church. I gave the whole of my time and affections to Jesus and it has never been same again.
There at Four Square, I received my water baptism. Before long even as a teenager, I became a Sunday School teacher and a church worker.
How did you pick up? How did you continue from there?
As I continued in the church, I had a witness within me that God will make use of me. How and how soon? I couldn't really say but I carried that in my heart. I was in various departments and in the process, there was this big brother who me called Brother Tunde Joda, now of the General Overseer of Christ Chapel, he was in Four Square, Surulere Lagos at that time.
Some of my friends in Surulere branch introduced me to him. At that time, he was having a prayer and healing school before it crystallised into Christ Chapel. We went there once in a week to pray and worship.
In one of our sessions in 1984, during a serious worship, the Holy Spirit moved. There was a prophesy in tongues and Brother Tunde Joda said there is a prophesy and the Lord will want it interpreted, if anybody has that gift here. And as at that day, I have never seen myself use that gift of interpretation. I have seen myself using the gift of prophesy, word of knowledge but not interpretation, there was a burning like a fire in my heart, I found myself in front and I gave the interpretation. The Holy Spirit told me I have the gift of interpretation. He asked me to come to the front and the whole congregation prayed for me, he said I have the gift that was the confirmation, that was on 20th March 1984, after that time everywhere I go people kept telling me I have the gift and I knew couldn't’t run away from it.
After then I formed a Christian Musical Group. We were about ten girls going from one place to another ministering, we did that for another six to seven years then I got a call, until I saw the Lord diverted my call into itinerary ministry, I discovered that within that time, I got an admission to the Polytechnic Ibadan to read Accountancy and I couldn’t just hide, from the first year I was appointed an executive at the Christian union fellowship. I was invited to different campuses to preach, there was no hiding places for me and up till now.
The issue of marriage, how did it affect or complement your ministry?
Some how people keep asking me. At a point, I saw how much the Lord has used my life, I began to pray I began to ask God for the spirit of celibacy. I searched the scripture, I believe there was a gift like that in serving the Lord, with the help of the Holy Spirit. I felt marriage was going to be a distraction. I was sold out to God, I felt I should count marriage out. I began to pray and the Lord will not answer me. I added fasting that by the time I fast seriously, the Lord will oblige me.
There was a brother who was the vice president at the fellowship, we were classmates, we went to visit one of our brethren, there was a book on her table, “I married you” by Walter Trobisch. She was praying for a partner and I will always laugh at her. Later i asked her for the book and the Holy Spirit led me till I finished reading it at about 3am that day. The Lord said, I wanted you to read through this book because I want to speak to you. The answers to all your prayer is that you will get married. For celibacy, I say no. You will get married. I don’t want you to be afraid.
The Lord promised me he was going to give me a husband who will help me and encourage me to fulfill the call of God on my life. He said the man will also be a servant so he will not hinder me to do what God has ordained me to do. I said Lord, if this is your promise, I say yes to you. I give up. Just let me know who the man is so I wont go unto wrong hands. And that sealed it.
A couple of months after that, I was going to meet the person. We were just in a setting with a classmate of mine who had a visitor and the person the Lord was going to tell me about was that visitor to that my classmate. As he came in, the Holy Spirit told me this is the man. He was actually the President of Deeper Life Campus Fellowship. Immediately I heard the Holy Spirit, I kept it to my heart. God kept telling me a lot of things about him and i had to get a diary to write down the information. And it took about seven years before that same young man, who is now my husband, to come and ask my hand in marriage. Everything the Lord told me within the seven years, I found out they are true.
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Some how along the line, after we left school, the sister he was engaged to told him she was not interested again. He wept and he went to the Lord and the Lord told him the person you are to marry is right under your nose. ... So when he came to propose to me, he asked me to go and pray about it. I told him the Lord had told me about him seven years ago. |
So tell me, how did you escape from men for that seven years before the man came?
As an individual, I so much cherish my relationship with the Lord. Whatever the Lord tells me, I believe. No matter what happens, I don’t joke with it. When the Lord told me about him, I said God what kind of man is he, I know it was the Lord and whatsoever he does abides for ever.
While in school, I was a very prominent figure. People see me as a spiritual sister and academically I wasn’t doing badly. I was also in campus politics. At one time I was the secretary of Accountancy Student Association. I was very vocal both in the department and in the fellowship so a lot of brothers in the fellowship and course mates in the department were attracted to me. I received so many proposals but as they were coming I was discharging them. It wasn’t easy because I saw some of them that were attractive to me. I will ask God and the Holy Spirit will say, I have not changed my mind.
After a couple of years, the man came again. Through some other friends, we became friends. That was when i knew he was an ordained pastor in his church in Lagos. Some times he comes to minister and sometime I go to minister in his church. We became like a team with some other friends. We got quite close but I wouldn’t tell him the Lord has talked to me. Some how along the line, after we left school, the sister he was engaged to told him she was not interested again. He wept and he went to the Lord and the Lord told him the person you are to marry is right under your nose. The Lord opened his eyes. He never felt there was any thing special in our relationship until then. We prayed together for people, preached together. So when he came to propose to me, he asked me to go and pray about it. I told him the Lord had told me about him seven years ago. I told him where and when. I thank God I’m alive to see the fulfillment of what God said about my life.
Let’s look at the ministry, what is your vision in the ministry? What is your focus as a minister?
When I received the call, I asked the Lord what exactly He wanted me to do? And the Lord spoke to me, the focus is to challenge people to live a lifestyle of concentration to God, of sacrifice unto God. That is the call of God upon my life, to preach a lifestyle sold out to God. The Bible says I beseech you brethren to present your life as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God which is your reasonable service. I am an author and a publisher; I have five of my books published in the market.
Lets look at the church and the relationship ministry, do you think the people who are in that area are telling people what they need to know or what they want to hear? How do you assess the quality of the sermons from Nigerian pulpit today?
A larger percentage of my ministration from place to place, apart from focusing on the women ministry, I focus on the youths in the area of relationship. And one of my books ‘Pathway To Fulfillment’ has some of these. The book has gone out of print since year 2000. Its in many hands and those people that get it get back to me to come and minister to the youths in the area of relationship and its quite rewarding.
What we have out there today, I will call it a lot of junks. I want to think that some of the people who have the privileged to share with the upcoming generation didn’t have a deep encounter in the area of relationship and marriage. They cant give to the young ones beyond what they have and have experienced. The upcoming generation are not thorough because the messages are being watered down.
Tell me about your books, you said you have five of them, the one that is dear to your heart.
By the grace of God, I have published five of them apart from seminar materials, magazines regular magazines for the women. I have one for worship ministry that came out in November 1998, ‘Challenge of Motherhood in a Decadent Society’, May 1999. I had to re-print because of wide audience. In December 1999, ‘Pathway to Fulfillment’ came out, the record of my biography. I had to do a reprint because letters and calls are being made to request more copies.
Also in 2006, I turned out February Supporting Delinquency in a Christian Ministry’. That book has traveled far and wide. It came as a result of experiences and encounters in ministry. There are lots of challenges surrounding leadership in the body of Christ and that is what the book is all about. Satan has infiltrated leadership, people offending one another and the call, there is proper example in the scripture to deal with that. Till today, different churches came for it to train their workers. Then there is ‘Pray Your Way Through’, that came out last year and it is the most popular among my books people call from Abuja and other places.
All over the world, so many couples operate in the same ministry. You and your husband are a typical example. What are the challenges involved?
Yes, there are great challenges particularly if you are the pioneers of the ministry. When you don’t have some people sponsoring you, you rely solely on God especially when are not in the ministry to make money. You are there because of the call.
Even before I finished my youth service, the Lord spoke to me about full time ministry. I had ready jobs waiting for me, the Lord said ‘no’.
About couples in the ministry, we need to exercise a lot of caution. We shouldn’t believe that once a woman is married to a pastor automatically she becomes a pastor, automatically she is called into full time ministry too. No. The woman has to be called.
Now it has been easy for us to do this because I have had a call into the ministry before i was married. I have been called to be a preacher and a teacher of God’s word before coming into marriage. My husband has been a pastor in a ministry before we came together. We came together as ministers. We continued to serve God as ministers, differently and as a couple.
When we even got married, my husband was doing part time, he was working with a construction company as a marketer. I was working with the banking industry and when it was time to go into full time ministry, the Lord asked us to resign and we obeyed. Not that there was money somewhere. When the Lord told us to start, he was faithful. We came into full time ministry, everybody knowing their different roles, by the grace of God, my husband is the chairman of the board of the Bible school but I am more into theology. So I oversee the Bible school, I am the associate at the church level so there is no conflict of role and we are in it together, the Holy Spirit helping us and we achieve results, you won’t see us struggling with each other. We shouldn’t assume this man is a pastor and his wife automatically is a pastor. She should be sure of having a call.
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