Having listened to you preach, it is obvious that your approach to the pulpit is different from what we are used to here in Nigeria. Where are you coming from?
I am coming from the perspective of empowerment and inspiring believers because we believers are born again, blood washed, tongue speaking and qualified for heaven. But I realize that though we believer are spiritually matured but that is not being translated to the things we can see physically and there is no corresponding action. Our people are spiritually matured by materially poor. The bible says al things are yours but not so with majority of Christians. We do spiritual warfare, we pray like no man's business but we cant see results. Why? I believe in spiritual warfare, life is about warfare but its not every time the devil is pursuing us. The problem most of the times are material problems, most of the problems are lack of internal development, lack of clarity and understanding, lack of instructions. I discovered if we continue to minister to the spirit alone, the soul will lack, there will be deficiency.

Lets look at the church, when and where did you start?
The church started in England. I used to pray in the bus because I carried that mentality in Nigeria from 1986 to Europe. So I began to do fasting and prayer because when I was in Nigeria I used to go to the mountain to pray a lot. But there was this day I went to the bush to pray, something knocked me down and I was unconscious and those people that followed me carried me in the car to the house. I was unconscious for 14 days, it was a journey the Lord took me through the realm of the spirit.

Why did you leave London where things are better for an environment like Nigeria?
Life is in levels, there are five fold ministry, you have to start either as a pastor or as an evangelist or as a prophet before you graduate to the level of apostleship. We have been in London. The church started in 1988 along with my wife and my first daughter. When we got to a certain level, the Lord said I am sending you to Africa, to Nigeria, that is where the assignment is going to be and I said yes sir. So I came here and started a radio program because we didn't get a place to start the ministry so quickly. But two months ago, the ministry started in full.

Let's look at employment and empowerment vis-s-vis the efforts of the Nigerian government, ho do you assess their impacts so far?
Nigerian government is not doing it the way it should be done. If this situation persist, God will intervene because of the prayers of Nigerian people. God will raise up some people who will ask them questions at the end of the day. Its quite unimaginable for someone to mismanage or embezzle hundreds of billion Naira. Some stash away amounts they can't even spend in their life time. Its not just because the leaders don't have the fear of God i them, its also because they lack empowerment, they lack understanding, information, administrative system. Nature determines character, therefore they are living according to their own nature, they don't know how to do it and they think they do.

Where do you see the church in the next five, ten years?
I see the church in the next three to five years as an house-hold name. As we focus on empowerment, most members are going to be pregnant; they will go to the labour room and give birth to their destinies. I see the future of Nigeria not in the hands of the government, but in the hands of Nigerians themselves. In the next five years, I see the church able to have almost a 10, 000 seater-auditorium, having a vocational training centre where there are going to be ICT training, fashion designing, skill vocational training that will empower people. The people cant go on depending on the government. This government is incapable. It touches my heart that a nation is so rich but the people are living like beggars.

From what you have seen of the Nigerian people since your arrival here, are you really impressed about our spiritual mentality and attitudes?
What I have seen in the people I have gathered is that their previous understanding and their background is quite different from what our church has for them. We have to transform their mind, renew their mind. They are valuable, they must be respected. You may be poor today that doesn't mean you are going to be poor tomorrow. Therefore we are trying to transform their mentality because they came from different background.