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In this interview, Pastor Chris(topher) Okotie of Household of God, Oregun Lagos, speaks on the invitation by the then Lagos State Police Commissioner, Mike Okiro on his press war with T.B. Joshua of Synagogue Church of all Nations and Pastor Chris Oyakhilome of Christ Embassy. He also spoke on his encounter with Pastor T.B. Joshua and his book, The Last Outcast.

Let us start with the most recent development. You were invited to the office of the Lagos State Police Commissioner. Can you tell us what transpired there?
The commissioner wanted to make sure that there was no breakdown of law and order in Lagos State. He was concerned about the situation of things between Joshua, Oyakhilome and me in terms of all the things he had read in the papers, the claims and counter­claims of different ministers and because of the volatile nature of religious crisis in the country. He called us and he talked to us based on that. He was not getting into the petition that I wrote to the Inspector General of Police, I-G. He just wanted to say that if there was any problem between us, we could discuss it and we did. There was first a roll-call and we discovered that Chris Oyakhilome was not there. And I told them that I wasn't surprised because he had rather been very evasive recently.

Q: Could you tell us what was really discussed at the meeting?
A: Yes, the first to speak was Joshua who was there with about five of his deputies. He got up and said he did not want any problems and that he was not upset with me. He said I am his brother that he loved me dearly and so on and he sat down. I got up and said I do not want to be hypocritical because the commissioner of police had good intentions and we could not be there to trivialise it, to make it look as if there is no problem when there is one and it is fundamental. The man had threatened my life.

He had come to me a few nights after I had published what transpired between him and Oyakhilome. He came about 3 a.m in the morning but the Spirit of God woke me up. In my bedroom there is a door facing my bed - I live alone. As 1 looked towards the door, Joshua walked into my bedroom. I said this in his presence there at the police station because I got the opportunity to talk to him face to face.

He walked right into my bedroom, he wore a caftan and I recognised him immediately he came in and I was just watching what he was going to do when suddenly there was an explosion from the left side of my bed, just by my wardrobe and a fire came from my side and lifted him off the ground and threw him back at the door. He fell down and was there stupefied. He sat down there for about half an hour, he didn't say a word to me neither I to him. When the daze cleared, he got up, took two steps towards me, stretched his neck to look at me, turned around and walked out. If you are not a spiritual person you won't understand what happened.

That phenomenon is possible, it is called a Familiar Spirit, and he is able to do that. Members of his church will tell you that he appears to them at night. At the police station, I recounted the experience and I said to his face that he is evil because he had come to me at night to hurt me and he was sitting down there, telling people that there is no problem. It is a lie and he is a hypocrite.

I just wanted to be down-to-earth about this thing. So I said to him, 'Joshua, several times have I read your interviews in the paper and there you say that you don't believe that it was me saying those things and I want you to know that I was the one saying them and I want to repeat them in your presence. You are a practitioner of Shamanism, I told Oyakhilome that you are involved in Docetic Gnosticism and he didn’t listen to me because of the connection you people have, and everything I said about you is correct.

I told the police that Joshua is a threat to national security. And that the only way the matter could be resolved is for him to pick up his magic box and leave the town. I have to be very direct. In fact, I was speaking to him very directly that the C­P had to tell me to stop addressing Joshua and rather speak to him (Okiro) directly instead, so that it won't sound like a confrontation.

But I was glad I had that opportunity to talk to him face to face because this demystifies his personality. Joshua is nothing, just a man and the power he has is given to him by spiritual entities and we are connected to the highest spiritual entity which is the Lord Jesus Christ. I wanted to make that abundantly clear to all the people present there. He got up and he said ' Pastor Chris is judging me but I love him dearly, he is my brother, he is a father in the faith and all that stuff.

He said he wanted to shake hands and forget and I said never, we came from two different realms. The God that you are calling is not the God that I know. The gospel you teach is an alien gospel. The Jesus you are calling is an alien Jesus. There is no connection between you and I to warrant a handshake. And I explained to the C-P that it was not as if I am being difficult or trying to be disrespectful but these things are stated in the scriptures. I have studied the Bible for over 14 years and I know what I am saying. Joshua is not qualified to talk about Jesus Christ and the Bible. The Bible is also very clear when it said that I should have nothing to do with a person like Joshua.

I said, 'you all in this place knew me. I grew up in the presence of all of you. You know my past but do you know this man?' No one knows his past. All the stories he tells are not verifiable. Joshua claimed that his birth was prophesied, and that he quoted from the scriptures at a very tender age before knowing the Bible. And the only way that can happen is by spiritual impartation. So, he is claiming equality with Jesus Christ. There is no way we are going to sit back and allow him to carry on. We don't want what he is doing to this country. He is more dangerous than Abacha was.

Q: But are you not judging Joshua, because the Holy Book says judge not?
A: There are too many ignorant people. When Jesus said judge not, it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Why did he call the Jews children of the devil? People who are in a covenant relationship with God. He said, no, your covenant with God do not subsist because you are satanic at heart. You are thus children of Satan. I pointed this out to the C-P. When Paul had problems in Jerusalem, he appealed to Caesar and I appealed to the C-P because he represents the Caesar of our time and there is precedence in the Bible.

Q: At what point do you think that Joshua could be a threat to churches and even to Nigeria?
A: We have been observing Joshua for many years in the country. As I told the C-P, he has been around for about 10 years. But we were of the impression that the church recognises that he was a charlatan and that the people who were going to him were the people who had made up their minds that they wanted to be involved with him. We refrained from speaking because the Bible says there is a time to speak to a scorner.

The only time he became a threat was the time when Oyakhilome began to make his relationship with him public. People need to clearly understand that Oyakhilome is the epitome of what is called Christian

deception. The story he is telling you that he just met Joshua not so long ago even by the logic is faulty. It is not possible to stake your whole ministry and your relationship with the Christian body of the whole country over a stranger you just met not so long ago. It is because he is involved with him spiritually and materially. The two have been involved in all kinds of money laundering activities. That is where he gets the money to do all he does. It is not the ministry because there is nothing he has achieved in Christian ministry in this country. It was at that point when Oyakhilome came out to validate the ministry of Joshua, that it became necessary to alert the nation that this man is a potential danger.

Q: Is it true that this conflict between you and Oyakhilome goes beyond Joshua? There is this story that there is a tussle over a plot of land and that envy is involved because he performs miracles and you don't.
A: There is something called paralogism, that is, the inability to take a logical conclusion from the beginning to the end in an argument, thus it doesn't make any sense. I have clearly stated from the beginning of our ministry that I don't believe in the concept of multiple churches. Anyone who has listened to me on television will know that when it comes to preaching the Word of God, Oyakhilome is a non-starter. And I say it squarely within the confines of conventional propriety. If he says he has a gift in the realm of miracle, I am not going to contest that because the word of God clearly tells us that we all have different offices. I am a pastor, I teach the Bible. I don't go on crusades. There is no way I'll envy a man who is doing the job that I cannot do and which I am not called to do.

The Bible is clear about it; you can't operate in an office except it is given to you. Look at his church. He does not have more than six plots and you expect me to be envious of him when I have about 10 acres here. If Oyakhilome and I had a problem, why would I open my premises for him to use? Oyakhilome called me a couple of months ago and I thanked God for that. He asked me to grant him access to his church for renovation. And I instructed the people to allow him. It was only after I wrote to him to warn him to stay away from Joshua and he refused that I told my people to seal off the place.

It is on record that people have asked me to open other branches of my church in Lagos and I said no. If I want to open churches because of the crowd that he is talking about I would have done so. I am a better pastor than he is. He calls himself a pastor while in fact, he is an evangelist. A pastor is the one who teaches the Word of God and he can't teach it.

Last year, he wrote to me a letter when he saw our GRACE NIGHT saying that he heard things about Jesus that he had never heard before. He can't deny it. That was how he had the confidence to request that I bring down my fence for him to renovate his church. The truth of the matter is that his friends have asked him why he was putting them through this shame when all he needed do was to have come out to say, 'Look, I am sorry that Joshua and I have been friends. I see him as a minister, maybe there are things that I don't know about him that you people know. But please let us talk about it.' He didn't do that, rather, he became impertinent and gave the impression that we are all against him while the fact is that he is the one against himself.

Q: Going back to Joshua; you accused him of practising Shamanism, etc. How did you know that?
A: You see, that is my job. I have studied the book, I am glad to hear when Oyakhilome came on the television that nobody laid hands on him. This means that he was not properly instructed. The same thing goes for Joshua. The two of them didn't study the Bible formally. They just picked up the Bible, felt the call of God in their lives and went ahead to set up their ministries. The Bible is very clear. 1st, 2nd and 3rd John dealt with Docetic Gnosticism. Note that the Bible was written in the Greek language. That word Docetic is from a man called Cerentus in the early church. Books dealing with the church history have this. Cerentus was later to propound what is to be called the Cerenten heresy. He went around telling people at that time that it is true that Jesus Christ came but that the Christ is a consciousness that came at any time in a generation. That is, Jesus is not the only of His kind.

It was a very serious problem for the church in Jerusalem. That was why John wrote to the church in Ephesus that anybody who brings that concept is the Antichrist. Christ, he said, had come in the flesh and not an apparition as Cerentus said. Anyone who believes in that philosophy is preaching Docetism which means that Christ is an apparition. It is because the man did not study his Bible, this accounts for why he was on the television saying he doesn't know the source of my knowledge.

Joshua is preaching Docetism. Joshua took the name of Jesus, Joshua is Jesus in Hebrew name. Joshua calls himself Emmanuel, that is, 'God with us.' That was what the scriptures said of Jesus who was going to come, that when he comes, he will be Emmanuel; God with us. Joshua now wants to claim that he is another Jesus, he wants to prove that, by asking his people to say 'Emmanuel', pointing to him before giving testimony, meaning in other words, that Joshua is the God with us. But people do not know this because there are too many ignorant people in the body.

They do not study the book therefore they do not know what is going on. So, I told Oyakhilome that you could have been in big business with Joshua, but you can't do that now because the man is calling himself God more or less. And he speaks about the finger of God. This is in the Book of Exodus. But Oyakhilome and Joshua are involved in big business and it would be uncovered very soon as long as Jesus Christ is Lord.

Q: There is this accusation that you use extra-biblical text, that you derive all these big words from those apocryphal books.
A: That is not true; they have seen a man who has spent time studying. In the past, people did not take the word of God seriously. They will just pick a verse and try to interpret it. But when I got born again, I had an encounter with Jesus Christ at the peak of my singing career and when I decided I was going to follow Jesus, I made up my mind I was going to give God more than my best and so I took the time to go back and read up the material available. I studied the Bible because the Bible commanded that we should study the word of God to show ourselves as workmen that are not ashamed but rightly interpreting the word of truth.

If you want to convey the word of God you have to take time to study the word, that is why our programme on television is called' Apocalypse,' that is the first word in the Book of Revelation. It means the unveiling, the revelation. God knew that the Bible would be written in English but then he couldn't have waited for it. But he chose the Greek language because it is much better, grammatically, in its presentation. And it is very concise. What you would say in eight sentences in English, a grammatical expression says it all in Greek. It is the job of a lecturer that lectures in a university to do the research, so also it is for the preacher. Oyakhilome said the reason why I know all these was because I was reading occultic books. It is such a manifestation of abysmal ignorance. It is all in the Bible.

Q: In the first letter you accused Joshua that he wanted to invade your church on Christmas day and assassinate you and even use blackmail. Can you prove those things and how did you know.
A: The police are investigating the matter right now and we have the information that Joshua is very confused about how we got the information. It is like we already knew everything he is planning to do. The police will tell Nigerians how we got the information and what is exactly going on.

Q: Some people say that this conflict is dragging too long. That only God can judge. Joshua even quoted the speech of Gamaliel in the Bible. Some say you should stop quarreling on the pages of newspapers.
A: The people who say that have neither read the Bible nor are they spiritually informed. I told the C-P that Joshua goes around saying that Gamaliel in the Bible stated that if the work that is being done by the disciples is of God, then no man should try to stop them, lest they seem to be fighting with God and that if it is not of God it will eventually peter out. Gamaliel made that statement but it is not a statement of fact. Experience has shown that if you don't fight evil, it will destroy you. If you allow evil to thrive, it has the capacity to swallow up good. Gamaliel's statement was not inspired by God. He just spoke out of sentimental reason to let the disciples go.

The Bible is very clear concerning people like Joshua. It says in the book of Timothy in the first chapter, that their mouth should be stopped. When Jude wrote about them, he used some of the most offensive diatribes that you can ever imagine. These are not small matters. If you don't destroy these people, they will turn into a canker that will destroy the society. It must be clearly understood that I am fighting as a man of God. I am not fighting Oyakhilome, I am not fighting Joshua.

I have a responsibility as a Christian to tell them what is going on just as President Olusegun Obasanjo is fighting corruption at his own level. There is a greater corruption in the spirit realm that is worse than you taking bribe or embezzling government fund. This is talking about eternal damnation that will destroy the spirit, soul and body; and the consequences are eternal. We have a greater responsibility to warn our people. We are dealing with men working under mysticism.

Q: Many have testified to going to Joshua and getting healed. Even foreigners and presidents of nations have testified to Joshua's ability to heal. Could that be a Satan-influenced healing, because many popular members of our society, mostly sportsmen and politicians have testified to Joshua's healing powers. Can there be satanic healings. If there are, how do they happen?
A: In the book of Acts there is a story when Paul and Silas were ministering to some women. There was a young lady there crying out after them saying to the people “These are the men who come from God to show us the way to the Lord.” The woman was pointing at Paul saying to the people if you want to know the real gospel, listen to them. The Bible says she did that for three days. At a point Paul got upset and spoke to the spirit inside her to come out. It is called the spirit of divination. Yet in its manifestation that spirit was corroborating the ministry of Paul and Silas because she was saying these men are genuine. But the Bible tells us he commanded the spirit in that woman to come out, because it is a foul spirit.

What you have in the spirit of the devil are counterfeits. If you have the spirit of healing from God, you have the spirit of healing from the devil. And the spirit of the devil is what Martin Luther called the' Ape of God' It imitates God. There are circum­stances that Satan set up by himself. He is clever, you need to understand that. Satan has this power to cause a sickness and when he places such illness in a man and that man wants to be healed, he will send him to his own man like Joshua. And Joshua will speak to that illness because it was generated from the kingdom of darkness and it will tell it to go. If you are not aware of these things, you will never know that Joshua is not a man of God.

I explained in the church that the casting out of devil that Joshua does is called occult pacifism. That is, Satan does not cast out Satan; he pacifies the demon in such persons. He appeals to them to remain dormant and they remain so. There is an appearance as if the person afflicted is healed but in the actual fact, the demon causing the illness was just lying dormant. But if you take that person to a Bible preaching church, you will see the re-emergence of such a demon in the person. When Joshua stretches his finger the way he does when healing, it is the "finger of God". It is used to communicate with the spirit. It is an occult term. Some of the people that you say are popular this, popular that, there are many people like Joshua who will show you a case of real healing because they have been planted there by Satan. That is Shamanism. A Shaman is a magician but the difference is that he uses his magic in a healing way in a religious environment. He comes to us like a priest whereas underneath he is a magician.


"... When Joshua stretches his finger the way he does when healing, it is the "finger of God". It is used to communicate with the spirit. It is an occult term. Some of the people that you say are popular this, popular that, there are many people like Joshua who will show you a case of real healing because they have been planted there by Satan. That is Shamanism..."
Q: In the Bible, Jesus commanded evil spirits to come out. In the case of Joshua cant you pray and command the evil spirit in him to come out, instead of engaging in the verbal warfare that some church leaders have described as embarrassing to the church?
A: They are entitled to their opinion and I am not sure they are aware of what danger Joshua is posing to Christendom. You know Joshua is very feared by a lot of people. Because they don't want to come against him, they make a lot of diplomatic statements that would appear that they are neither here nor there but I don't have time for that. The Bible says, 'You the strong ones, you are strong and have overcome the evil one'. There is something about youth that the Lord uses to confront evil. It was a young boy David that God used to confront Goliath.


Q: Can't you cast out the devil out of Joshua?
A: We cannot do that. Let me tell you why that is different. In the case of the lady in the book of Acts, she was just a medium. She had a master who profits from her divination powers. We are dealing with a man who has a will, who has invited demons to live with him, to enable him achieve his own purpose not somebody who is being oppressed like that lady.

We are talking about a man who has consciously accepted the power of Satan in order to work with: the devil. If you go to him and say you demons come out, you are fighting against his will and God doesn't do that. The only people who are ever delivered or who are ever saved are the people who desire. Jesus said whosoever willeth let him come to me. But he will never come and force you. The day Joshua says 'I am tired of the devil, I am fed up,' we can help him.

Q: You made a statement that Joshua and Oyakhilome are into money laundering. Can you expatiate on that?
I'm going to write another letter to the I-G. We got information recently that after the meeting we had with the commissioner of police and Joshua saw my resolve (because his whole attempt was to make up and forget everything but I refused). The new plan they have which they can't carryon because we have exposed it is that Joshua and Oyakhilome planned to pay a huge amount of money into our church account behind our backs. I have written a letter to my bank manager telling him to allow only those persons designated by our church to be allowed to pay in cheques.

What they are trying to do is to lodge a huge some of money in our banks and say that we are into money laundering or try to come to me and say how did you get these millions in your bank? But we have heard that now because God is many steps ahead of them. In my letter to the I-G, I pointed out that there is a lot going on in Joshua's place. It is not just about Shamanism. It is a plan right from the Abacha regime. Joshua was working with that government to get Abacha installed as the head of state. And because Abacha recognised that he would be isolated from the international community, he had started a plan where Joshua would become the leader of Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria (PFN).

With the monies, Joshua was to bring in members of the international community under the guise of a religious worship. When they were made to realize that there is a universal prophet in our nation who endorses the leadership of Abacha, the international community will then accept Abacha. What you are seeing today of people coming from South Africa, Germany and so on was a plan, mapped out a long time ago. It was just that the leader died, so this didn't work out but it is still going on. And to be able to do this you must have a lot of money because some of the people who come here were paid. They pay money to bring them including their airfare. They donate money to the Christian ministries abroad to come and make confessions about who Joshua is and who Joshua is not.

Oyakhilome’s involvement with Joshua is two fold, the spiritual aspect and the monetary aspect. In the past four months, Oyakhilome has spent not less than Nl50 million on parcels of land he has bought, on television advertisements that he did recently, on the last crusade he did in Aba where he hired a helicopter. Where does he get the money from? He said on television that he has access to a lot of money. I am glad he said that.

What I am asking government to do is to find out the source of his money and the people backing him because he is not the only minister in this country. What they do according to the information we have is that they pay money into their church account overseas and these money are then brought in by Oyakhilome under the guise of money donated to the ministry. I keep saying it. There is nothing Oyakhilome is doing that other ministers are not doing even better. But his affluence cannot be substantiated practically.

I told them that when Oyakhilome started this business many years ago through people like Ezego and Anajemba, he didn’t want to bring attention to himself. He didn't want their church to appear like a beautiful place to fool people. This matter is right here under our nose. We are talking about corruption and transparency. In this country, I am saying here that the government should turn its attention to the church because I belong to that church. And I am including myself. If government wants to fight corruption they should start from the churches. Let them ask us how we get our money. Now money laundering is an international crime. Let them go to England and trace those who pay money into Oyakhilome's bank account.

These are serious' matters, why do you think they are trying to kill me? It is because I have exposed one of the biggest money laundering syndicates in this country. And this is going on in Synagogue and the Christ Embassy. Government needs to investigate the activities of these people. Any money paid to these people's banks could be traced back to the owner and he could be questioned on the source of his wealth, how he manages to get huge sums of money to give to the church. That is why Oyakhilome can never leave Synagogue. People like Ezego and Anajemba, where is their money? They are dead. Ask people like Joshua and Oyakhilome.

Q: Talking about wealth of churches, we know that many churches are rich. Could your church be included among those churches?
A: There is no doubt about that. We are a wealthy ministry but I am telling you responsibly that there is no penny that enters the church that I can't account for, because we have not always been rich. The Bible believes in prosperity but it is the prosperity that comes out of faithfulness.

I have served the Lord and I can say it for the past 14 years, faithfully. Most of the rich people had to leave because I can't put up with them. I can point out some to you and if you go and meet them they will confess that I cannot put up with what they were doing. I can confidently tell you from the time I have a Peugeot 505 to the time I bought my first Mercedes Benz, to the car I have today. It has been a gradual process of work. The ministry you are seeing today I have been teaching like this for a long time. But I am telling you that we are dealing with crooks who are masquerading under religious garb. We are dealing with 419ners at the holy high level. I have always been a forthright person.

When my wife had a problem with me, I called you people. Some people tried to caution me but I told them that the church is an open place and that there is nothing to hide. If we don't talk out now, there are so many pastors that could be tempted. They see people driving in expensive cars and they want to be like Chris Okotie, not knowing how far I have come and people like Joshua are ready to offer them money.

Q: I heard a report credited to Okiro that if at the end of their investigation they found out that you have written a false petition, you would be arrested.
A: He didn't say that. That was not what I heard. He said he came for peace and is not ready to persecute anybody. Whoever is writing that is misquoting the C-P. In my own case, the due process of the law must be followed. Joshua was detained for 14 days by the National Drug Law Enforcement Agency (NDLEA). To detain a man of his own caliber shows that there is no smoke without fire. These are things you can investigate.

Q: Talking about your book, The Last Outcast, you said the book was neither fiction nor faction, but there is something in the preface that places it as a revelation and parable. What is the nature of the book?
A: In my preamble to the book, I said this parchment presents..., in order words in what we are presenting to you, what we want you to focus on is not the fiction of it nor the faction of it but the revelation of it because it has both. We have fiction because the parable is always fictionalized. When Jesus said there was a man travelling from Jerusalem to Jericho that was fiction, there was nobody travelling. He told the

story to communicate a truth he is driving at. A parable is the story you tell along side the truth to further emphasize the truth.

Q: The thrust of the book is the Antichrist, is he here now or will he come in the year 2666 you specified in your book?
A: The date of the coming of the Antichrist is not given in the scriptures. But that is part of the fiction. If you noticed when I talk about the date of his birth, I used his number to let you know I am talking about his birth.

Q: You have patterned the birth and life of the Antichrist in your book after the life of Jesus Christ. Why such a semblance?
A: That is what the Bible teaches. That is why it is called the Antichrist. He is the opposite of Christ. He is going to come and tell you that he is the Christ, just like Jesus said, whereas he is the one opposed to Jesus Christ. And let me tell you, that book The Last Outcast answered all the questions that we have been asking God. The coming of the Antichrist was mentioned by the Father in the book of Genesis in the third chapter. If you don't understand the Bible, you won't understand the depth of that book because there are so many things I could tell you.

I said clearly that Antichrist must be sinless, that is where cloning comes into it, except you understand what the Bible says. In the Bible there are three mysteries. The mystery of Adam, the mysteries of Jesus Christ and the mystery of the Antichrist, and the three of them are men, sinless men; they must come into the world sinless. I don't want people to be confused, because if you don't present it properly, it would be as if the Antichrist and Jesus Christ are contesting as to who was born by a virgin.

The main purpose of the Antichrist is deception. If he comes into the world with sin, he cannot do what the devil has sent him into the world to do. When God spoke to the woman in the Garden, He said I will put enmity between your seed and the woman's seed. There are two seeds mentioned. Don't forget that Adam was standing there, he could have said between the seed of Adam and that of the serpent. If Jesus came through Adam, he would have come into the world with sin and if he came with a sin, he couldn't have saved the world, and the only way Jesus can come into the world without sin is to remove the Adamic factor. Sin is only transmitted by the male through sex that is why the virgin birth was necessary. If you remove sex and God comes upon the woman and she can give birth without a sexual intercourse, whoever is given birth to is sinless and can save the world.

Now Satan knows this and the only way to bring a man into this world is by cloning. That is the purpose of cloning. Cloning is not that they are trying to make superhuman but the purposes of Satan is to replicate another Christ. The only way he can bring a man into this world is by cloning. He knows that if he can avoid the sexual intercourse and bring a man into the world that man would be totally sinless.  

Q: Your book stopped at where the Antichrist died and was placed in a mausoleum. Are you suggesting that he too will rise on the third day like Jesus Christ?
A: Yes, he will rise. Now in the book of Second Thessalonians, when the Antichrist comes, it will be the height of deception. The Bible said" that the men of this world will not believe the word of God, he will send them a lie, that is deception. The purpose of Satan is to deceive the entire world so as to belittle the coming of Jesus Christ. So that when the Antichrist died and

is raised, he would have equalled Christ. He will say you said Christ was born of a virgin, I too, am born of a virgin. It is on the third day of the Antichrist's death that the devil will incarnate. In the first three and a half years of his ministry he is going to be a man of peace. He will settle the trouble between Palestine and Israel. He will imitate the ministry of Jesus. He will die at the end of the first three and a half years. That is where my book ends but there is going to be a continuation.

Q: You raised the issue of marriage and polygamy which has generated so much controversy. Could you clarify what you were really talking about in the book concerning matrimony?
A: It is very clear and is stated in this book that the marriage between Adam and Eve is the ideal. One man, one woman is the purpose of God for mankind. But when sin occurred, God made a statement to the woman. He said, 'you from today, your desire would be to your husband but he will rule over you. That is because of what you have done. That is she led her husband to sin. Her judgment was what I interpreted because nobody has interpreted that judgment until today- in The Last Outcast, ,we brought out what is rulership.

In the Bible, Adam already has authority over her. When she ate the fruit nothing happened but when Adam ate it, mankind sinned, because the one that God authorized was Adam. It is written in the book of Romans that sin came through one man-Adam. When God said your husband will rule over you, he was not speaking about authority because that would be verbose. That is not the punishment. The Last Outcast, the man Sam is trying to interpret the meaning of the word rulership. In line with what the Bible brings out that which you rule over must be more in number than yourself. I don't want you to misunderstand me.

You need to go and read the book because answering this question in isolation could create confusion in the mind of the people. In creation there are many things but only one Adam as the ruler. If God says that from today this man will rule over you. God does not mean that Adam will be forceful or antagonistic. God simply means that a time will come when he will desire to have more than one woman. Before the sin it was one man one wife but the sin has broken that bond. What God is saying was that your deceiving this man has separated you from him. The consequence is that your husband will no longer be part of you. He will now desire more than yourself, he will prefer to rule over many of you. That is why I said God did not at any time caution men who married more than one wife in the Bible, because it was a consequence of the sin of the woman.

Since that day, the woman has always wanted to go back to that initial union. And since God knew that it was a consequence of sin and the case has not been addressed, there was no way he could have called David, Solomon or any of the patriarchs not to have more than one wife because he himself prophesied it.

Q: The antichrist in your book practises homosexuality.
A: Many people who practise homosexuality in the world today don't know the meaning. Marriage itself is a symbol of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and his church. When the man and his wife sleep together they create the physical representation of what is called headship, which is a new creation. It simply means the spiritual Union that will come at the end of time. If the Antichrist wants to create a spiritual union for his purpose he must create a physical union with men.

The Bible says that when he rises from the dead, he will go into a spiritual union with any man carrying its number 666. For him to be able to do that, he must be able to achieve that in the physical. He has to find a man to insert his organ in his anus. It is a deeper thing people who are doing it do not understand. And people think that it is a kind of sexual perversion but it is more than that. It was set up by the Antichrist to prepare for its coming. Many countries are legalizing it not knowing that they are preparing for the Antichrist. That is why the only city God came down personally to destroy was the city of Sodom and Gomorrah, because the devil was trying to form a state of Antichrist before his time and God can't allow that. The Antichrist can only come after Jesus and the rapture of the saints. But it is not everybody that is homosexual that is an Antichrist.  

Q: Why the title The Last Outcast, because you are trying to say Jesus Christ too was an outcast.
A: When you cast somebody from your presence, it is because of sin. When Adam sinned against God in the Garden of Eden, what God did was to send him out because the Garden of Eden is God's dwelling place on earth. You have to understand that every time God has a covenant with men, He builds a place for Himself in order to be close to them. So God drove him out of his house. That is why God inhabits every Christian today. When Jesus took my own sins and your sins, at that point He became an outcast. God cast Him out of His presence because He has taken the sin of the world but when He died and resurrected, note what God said: 'This day have I begotten thee.' That is, today we have restored our relationship. When the Antichrist comes no matter what he does, nobody can touch him. He will seat in the temple and say' I am God: If you don't understand the deception playing out, people will be deceived. God told me that what qualifies me for this revelation is because I am a black man.  

Q: How?
A: It is in a black man that God will prove that the curse of Noah against the Black race has been removed. The Bible has the evidence why the black race is the way it is today. The injustices, slavery, isolation can be traced to Noah's curse. God has now decided to reveal the mystery of the Antichrist to a black man because two sons of Noah, Shem and Japheth have revealed two aspects of divine revelation. That is why if you take this book to the white man he will trivialise it because such a thing is expected of the White man. But when they read it, they will understand that God has restored the position of the black race.
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